People selling tournament tokens? Scam? - Guild Wars Forums

Sir Green Aluminum · Jun 06, 2007, 05:50 PM // 17:50

Yeah, I saw this guy selling them for 1k each in random arenas. Can you actually trade them and do people actually buy them? If they did I'd finally have something good to spend my balthazar faction on.

Anika Croft · Jun 06, 2007, 06:09 PM // 18:09

I buy them, but for 100g each in Hero Battles.

Toilet Oni · Jun 06, 2007, 08:29 PM // 20:29

you can sell and buy the tokens

, and its not a scam

Skuld · Jun 06, 2007, 08:45 PM // 20:45

Do you even know what "scam" means?

FoxBat · Jun 06, 2007, 09:33 PM // 21:33

100g to people in Hero Battles before tourney start-up time is selling.

1K to clueless RA noobs that most likely don't even know what it's for, might be scamming.

Skuld · Jun 06, 2007, 10:19 PM // 22:19

Why is that a scam? They want them, they're willing to pay that amount for them, I don't see a problem.

linh · Jun 06, 2007, 10:55 PM // 22:55

It is maybe a rip-off, but not a scam.

Smile Like Umean It · Jun 07, 2007, 12:17 AM // 00:17

No, this is not a scam.

A price was agreed upon and both parties get what they want.

ichigo_panty · Jun 07, 2007, 01:53 AM // 01:53

If people are willing to pay, why is it a scam.
If this is a scam, how about those trader who are selling thing for 100k+100e?
Trades aren't suppose to exceed 100k in ANet terms.

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Originally Posted by yourdictionary.com

n.
A fraudulent business scheme; a swindle.
tr.v. scammed, scam·ming, scams
To defraud; swindle.

Selling 1k per token doesn't classified it as a scam.

Rhedd · Jun 07, 2007, 02:13 AM // 02:13

I think you all are missing what the OP was actually asking about.

I could be wrong (my long-distance mind reading skills are underdeveloped), but I don't think he was asking about the cost, but whether or not tokens are buyable/sellable at all.

Understandable question. I had never really realized they were, myself.

Terra Xin · Jun 07, 2007, 02:43 AM // 02:43

I'm happy to sell mine for 100g, its something to get rid of all the faction that is now useless to me

Sir Green Aluminum · Jun 07, 2007, 05:56 AM // 05:56

I meant it as a scam because if like it was untradable and they replace it with a look-a-like or something. Like the ecto/mursat token thing. 1k seems like alot for something I can make 12 of right now. I'll be selling mine in hero battles now. Thanks.

Oh yeah and by that definition of scamming someone posted it is scamming if you overcharge someone. For example isn't it scamming if a Mechanic charges you extra because he knows your not good with cars? Or you offer a kid $1 for their hat or something. Or in a guild wars example if you buy black dyes from a low lv in pre-searing for 100g.

ichigo_panty · Jun 07, 2007, 06:16 AM // 06:16

Negligence from the buying party then.

Tokens can be sold for 1k each to desperate people who want those token fast. They have not time to spam WTB token for 100g or farm for it when the timer is ticking away. It would be a bonus if you find these people and you can earn some profits of it. I know as i sold some at 1k each to desperate people who really need these token badly.

Solus Spartan · Jun 07, 2007, 08:16 AM // 08:16

Not a scam, just overpriced really

TwinRaven · Jun 07, 2007, 05:44 PM // 17:44

Scam/swindle/fraud: something intended to deceive; deliberate trickery intended to gain an advantage...Selling an item for way more than it's worth to another party can be considered a scam if the claim of what the item is worth far excedes a reasonable value for the item. Trying to get a good price for your goods is good business, taking advantage of the unsuspecting "noob" by charging 10 times the going rate, I'd call that "deliberate" enough to warrent the term "scam" however you might justify it to yourself...it's as bad as price gouging in a crisis or charging school children for water...it just isn't ethical. Even if the second party agrees to the price, especially if the second party is unaware that the current rate is 1/10th the value, it's a scam. Not a huge scam, but a scam none-the-less.

Does-it-Matter · Jun 07, 2007, 06:14 PM // 18:14

To echo what TwinRaven said and what Ichigo inadvertently proved...

The difference is mis-representation.

I can sell you an apple for $300, if you are willing to pay for it. Now, if I attempt to directly or indirectly infer that the MARKET PRICE for such an apple is $300, that is deception.

Selling a tournement token for more than the "common trader" currently sells it for? Not a scam.

Telling a player who you (as the "scammer") believe is not informed, in a manner in which you infer the price is higher than what average trades are set at... is a scam, by definition of fraudulent/deceptive means.

Jun 06, 2007, 05:50 PM // 17:50	#1
Sir Green Aluminum Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Dec 2005	People selling tournament tokens? Scam? Yeah, I saw this guy selling them for 1k each in random arenas. Can you actually trade them and do people actually buy them? If they did I'd finally have something good to spend my balthazar faction on.

Jun 07, 2007, 05:56 AM // 05:56	#12
Sir Green Aluminum Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Dec 2005	I meant it as a scam because if like it was untradable and they replace it with a look-a-like or something. Like the ecto/mursat token thing. 1k seems like alot for something I can make 12 of right now. I'll be selling mine in hero battles now. Thanks. Oh yeah and by that definition of scamming someone posted it is scamming if you overcharge someone. For example isn't it scamming if a Mechanic charges you extra because he knows your not good with cars? Or you offer a kid $1 for their hat or something. Or in a guild wars example if you buy black dyes from a low lv in pre-searing for 100g. Last edited by Sir Green Aluminum; Jun 07, 2007 at 06:04 AM // 06:04..

Jun 06, 2007, 06:09 PM // 18:09	#2
Anika Croft Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Apr 2007 Guild: Glob of Ectospasm [GoE] Profession: W/	I buy them, but for 100g each in Hero Battles.

Jun 06, 2007, 08:29 PM // 20:29	#3
Toilet Oni Frost Gate Guardian --> Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Tonigth we dine in.....CUSTODY Guild: Moe wine plz Profession: R/	you can sell and buy the tokens , and its not a scam

Jun 06, 2007, 08:45 PM // 20:45	#4
Skuld Furnace Stoker Join Date: Sep 2005 Guild: Thousend Tigers Apund Ur Head [Ttgr] Profession: A/	Do you even know what "scam" means?

Jun 06, 2007, 09:33 PM // 21:33	#5
FoxBat Furnace Stoker Join Date: Apr 2006 Guild: Amazon Basin [AB] Profession: Mo/Me	100g to people in Hero Battles before tourney start-up time is selling. 1K to clueless RA noobs that most likely don't even know what it's for, might be scamming.

Jun 06, 2007, 10:19 PM // 22:19	#6
Skuld Furnace Stoker Join Date: Sep 2005 Guild: Thousend Tigers Apund Ur Head [Ttgr] Profession: A/	Why is that a scam? They want them, they're willing to pay that amount for them, I don't see a problem.

Jun 06, 2007, 10:55 PM // 22:55	#7
linh Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jul 2005 Profession: Mo/	It is maybe a rip-off, but not a scam.

Jun 07, 2007, 12:17 AM // 00:17	#8
Smile Like Umean It Desert Nomad Join Date: Jul 2006 Profession: E/Rt	No, this is not a scam. A price was agreed upon and both parties get what they want.

Jun 07, 2007, 02:13 AM // 02:13	#10
Rhedd Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: May 2005 Location: You ever have to clean up after a Moa bird? Guild: True Solunastra [SLA] Profession: Moa Wrangler	I think you all are missing what the OP was actually asking about. I could be wrong (my long-distance mind reading skills are underdeveloped), but I don't think he was asking about the cost, but whether or not tokens are buyable/sellable at all. Understandable question. I had never really realized they were, myself.

Jun 07, 2007, 02:43 AM // 02:43	#11
Terra Xin Furnace Stoker Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: New Zealand Profession: Me/R	I'm happy to sell mine for 100g, its something to get rid of all the faction that is now useless to me

Jun 07, 2007, 06:16 AM // 06:16	#13
ichigo_panty Krytan Explorer Join Date: Nov 2006 Guild: Exiled And Forsaken[EnF]	Negligence from the buying party then. Tokens can be sold for 1k each to desperate people who want those token fast. They have not time to spam WTB token for 100g or farm for it when the timer is ticking away. It would be a bonus if you find these people and you can earn some profits of it. I know as i sold some at 1k each to desperate people who really need these token badly.

Jun 07, 2007, 08:16 AM // 08:16	#14
Solus Spartan Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2007 Location: Australia Guild: [Lawl] Profession: Mo/	Not a scam, just overpriced really

Jun 07, 2007, 05:44 PM // 17:44	#15
TwinRaven Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Apr 2005 Profession: W/	Scam/swindle/fraud: something intended to deceive; deliberate trickery intended to gain an advantage...Selling an item for way more than it's worth to another party can be considered a scam if the claim of what the item is worth far excedes a reasonable value for the item. Trying to get a good price for your goods is good business, taking advantage of the unsuspecting "noob" by charging 10 times the going rate, I'd call that "deliberate" enough to warrent the term "scam" however you might justify it to yourself...it's as bad as price gouging in a crisis or charging school children for water...it just isn't ethical. Even if the second party agrees to the price, especially if the second party is unaware that the current rate is 1/10th the value, it's a scam. Not a huge scam, but a scam none-the-less.

Jun 07, 2007, 06:14 PM // 18:14	#16
Does-it-Matter Krytan Explorer Join Date: Dec 2005 Profession: N/	To echo what TwinRaven said and what Ichigo inadvertently proved... The difference is mis-representation. I can sell you an apple for $300, if you are willing to pay for it. Now, if I attempt to directly or indirectly infer that the MARKET PRICE for such an apple is $300, that is deception. Selling a tournement token for more than the "common trader" currently sells it for? Not a scam. Telling a player who you (as the "scammer") believe is not informed, in a manner in which you infer the price is higher than what average trades are set at... is a scam, by definition of fraudulent/deceptive means.